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the economy, democrats might object when i say this, but the economy more than republicans were the president's enemy in the first time. no money coming in, no room to maneuver. >> he's got one fight after another coming up, although we've put off one fight a couple months, and the president has to get over that in order to get to the rest of his agenda, and the question i have is whether the president is going to actually anger some of his liberal team by making those commitments on entitlement cutbacks on medicare, for example, in particular in order to get to the rest of his agenda and to david's point, to keep the economy chucking along. >> does he see that, david, as central though? i mean, to so many people in the business community, it does seem central. if you don't put out a plan for entitlement reform, you can't get long-term growth in the economy, you srm can't, because there's too many unknowns and strangle holds that are going to hit the economy. does he see it that way or does he not see that risk? >> i think that's a really good question because at the end of the day i think the
the economy, democrats might object when i say this, but the economy more than republicans were the president's enemy in the first time. no money coming in, no room to maneuver. >> he's got one fight after another coming up, although we've put off one fight a couple months, and the president has to get over that in order to get to the rest of his agenda, and the question i have is whether the president is going to actually anger some of his liberal team by making those commitments on...
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. >> well, it is four years later now, a battered economy and political extremism, even more so than it was at the time he gave that speech. how does he create a lasting vision of his own presidency? joining us, presidential historian richard norton smith. it does strike me this address is the beginning of the writing of history of the presidency of barack obama. everyone talks about how in the second term, presidents run for history. this is that first kind of draft, isn't it? >> some ways that's a dangerous concept. think about it, all of a sudden you're playing to the academic jury, that's the ultimate electorate, the people who will decide if you're a near great president or average president, you know, whether you're a teddy roosevelt or a chester arthur, and you probably shouldn't be playing to them more than any other particular interest group. i'm part of the jury. see, you only get to vote for president once are we get to vote over and over again. but presidents really, it seems to me, that's just one more interest group they should avoid tailoring their actions. >> we talk
. >> well, it is four years later now, a battered economy and political extremism, even more so than it was at the time he gave that speech. how does he create a lasting vision of his own presidency? joining us, presidential historian richard norton smith. it does strike me this address is the beginning of the writing of history of the presidency of barack obama. everyone talks about how in the second term, presidents run for history. this is that first kind of draft, isn't it? >>...
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getting the economy under "control" will be very, very important. the president faces one problem, though, and we become almost a parliamentary system in the actions of legislative bodies and he's got a republican house that he's got to find a rhythm to work with him. president clinton did that, joe, his second term we were able to balance the budget for four years, but it's difficult and they have not found a rhythm yet and until they do that, i think it limits what he can get done. >> interesting to me because in an early press conference the president said he was well aware of what happened to many other presidents in their second terms and clearly referring to an overreach that you have with second-term presidents who were thinking about their legacy. joe, as you look at, as you look at president obama and you look at his agenda, gun control, immigration reform, climate change, got to get through all the fiscal problems first. i mean, is that overreach? >> i don't think so. there are things that he has to do. climate change is a really difficult
getting the economy under "control" will be very, very important. the president faces one problem, though, and we become almost a parliamentary system in the actions of legislative bodies and he's got a republican house that he's got to find a rhythm to work with him. president clinton did that, joe, his second term we were able to balance the budget for four years, but it's difficult and they have not found a rhythm yet and until they do that, i think it limits what he can get done....
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he had the best economy in a generation, that was the time to get them durngs the lewinsky scandal came along. bush tried to do them, iraq war and then katrina. he couldn't get it done. will this president seize this moment and tries to do medicare and social security, his vice president say i want to run for president. >> he will be more successful because he's tougher. there's danger and frankly david gergen, wrote a great piece on cnn.com called obama 2.0, really goes through it. there are dangers but he's going to be more successful because he's tougher. i think republicans respect him more as a tougher negotiator. >> what about democrats? >> he's got problems. >> here's my question to you which is, you've gottlieb brawl it democrats and the fiscal test is going to be all of these issues coming up on how you cut spending, what you do to the military, mine all of this stuff coming up. if the president says, i want a grand bargain and we've got to cut medicare as part of a big deal, where -- is he going to say to his own party, sorry, guys? >> he will say that and i will say this, the
he had the best economy in a generation, that was the time to get them durngs the lewinsky scandal came along. bush tried to do them, iraq war and then katrina. he couldn't get it done. will this president seize this moment and tries to do medicare and social security, his vice president say i want to run for president. >> he will be more successful because he's tougher. there's danger and frankly david gergen, wrote a great piece on cnn.com called obama 2.0, really goes through it. there...
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first saw the poll numbers that you just put up on the screen and i thought, well you know what the economy is still bad there's 7.8% unemployment, underemployment is also skyrocketing. then my husband had to go look at the cross caps. >> i hate it when i look at that. >> toad look at the science. toad read the numbers. you had a great point. you did discover something that is noteworthy. >> if you break it down, the real news here is the polarization. i mean, 76% of democrats thing thinks are going very well. only 28% of republicans. just another reminder of how drunk we are on partisanship. >> that partisanship or is it that democrats are glass half-full and republicans are glass half-empty? >> marg is a great very glass half-full republican. >> reagan was a sunny optimist you can the eternal optimist. >> he was. it does speak to how our partisanship fueled our perceptions, looking at the same data. >> let's talk about this thing about monarch, king conflict that many republicans say the president has. i want to get this quote. here's what republican senator rand paul says. he said, gop s
first saw the poll numbers that you just put up on the screen and i thought, well you know what the economy is still bad there's 7.8% unemployment, underemployment is also skyrocketing. then my husband had to go look at the cross caps. >> i hate it when i look at that. >> toad look at the science. toad read the numbers. you had a great point. you did discover something that is noteworthy. >> if you break it down, the real news here is the polarization. i mean, 76% of democrats...